tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post566628696839142569..comments2024-03-18T08:42:30.787+00:00Comments on Chris Townsend Outdoors: A Visit to Talladh a BheitheChris Townsendhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04282926597863688874noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-48240443131261080702014-12-02T23:41:02.327+00:002014-12-02T23:41:02.327+00:00We are real Noel. You're the one living in a f...We are real Noel. You're the one living in a fantasy world where destroying the Scottish Highlands with wind farms will save the world. It won't and you insult people like me and Jane with silly phrases like 'did nothing to stop because we didn't want to spoil the view'. However much you profess to love wild places it's clear you don't really or you'd be fighting Chris Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04282926597863688874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-47158049799461278612014-12-02T21:30:56.444+00:002014-12-02T21:30:56.444+00:00@Chris
OK apologies.
@Jane
"Soul" is...@Chris <br /><br />OK apologies.<br /><br />@Jane<br /><br />"Soul" is not the kind of territory you want to fight on. I've spent more time out of doors than most people who complain about wind farms. I've also done a lot to help other people enjoy the experience of being out in the wild places. <br /><br />I get it. I really do but climate change is many orders of magnitude Noe Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-24213873037631607922014-11-28T22:39:27.103+00:002014-11-28T22:39:27.103+00:00Would Noel Darlow please get a SOUL? That is what...Would Noel Darlow please get a SOUL? That is what wild landscapes are about. Who here wishes to become an automaton? Certainly not me and all those who fight to preserve what is left of Scotland's natural wonder. Without our connection to nature we are nothing,life is not worth living and the planet is not worth saving.Janenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-10253887748682834042014-11-23T22:05:42.874+00:002014-11-23T22:05:42.874+00:00I would prefer it if the debate could still be cen...I would prefer it if the debate could still be centred around wind farms and wild land rather than climate science however I'm not happy about you or anyone asking people not to reply to a post. People have the freedom to comment on comments if they wish.<br /><br />In response to this post the idea of hundreds of Talladh a Bheithe's and that anywhere is fair game conjures up a nightmare Chris Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04282926597863688874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-63536757363913734582014-11-19T21:07:10.331+00:002014-11-19T21:07:10.331+00:00@FellBound
I'm assuming Chris doesn't wan...@FellBound<br /><br />I'm assuming Chris doesn't want his blog about Talladh a Bheithe to turn into yet another rehash/rebuttal of denier memes about climate science. That's why.<br /><br />In order to cut carbon emissions drastically, we need to do three things: cut energy consumption, make modest cuts in general consumption, and massively expand renewables. And we have to do it fastNoel Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-32391483155135453592014-11-19T19:43:49.076+00:002014-11-19T19:43:49.076+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.FellBoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089687581260477621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-29187350110328899512014-11-19T19:40:40.331+00:002014-11-19T19:40:40.331+00:00Please do not reply to this post? Why not? However...Please do not reply to this post? Why not? However, I am still waiting for you to answer the question I posed to you on Twitter and Chris asked here. Are there any places in the whole of the Scottish Highlands or any other wild area where you would not support the building if windfarms or would you prefer to see all wild areas with them as the problem you identify is so grave? FellBoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089687581260477621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-13179440573838381102014-11-19T13:05:04.534+00:002014-11-19T13:05:04.534+00:00Promoting pseudo-science - such as the MWP (there ...Promoting pseudo-science - such as the MWP (there was no globally synchronous, multi-decadal cooling) - is quite rightly termed denial. The limits of what one may reasonably claim about matters of science are defined by the set of published papers which have not yet been refuted. That's it. <br /><br />The rules are the same for everyone: a scientific idea must be expressed as a formal, Noel Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-25281039844276394212014-11-16T09:19:56.945+00:002014-11-16T09:19:56.945+00:00It's funny that people like Noel Darlow (a pro...It's funny that people like Noel Darlow (a professional wind farm cyber-supporter for many years on many websites) who call anyone questioning claims about the impact of global warming "deniers" is in complete denial about the environmental effects of building wind plants on wild land. Before documenting some of the stuff Noel is happily denying, I'll pick one out of the many Andy B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-72052782410146375992014-11-15T17:44:38.373+00:002014-11-15T17:44:38.373+00:00Wonderful photos!Wonderful photos!Petr P.http://www.sportcentral.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-71578024767432894102014-11-14T14:22:42.817+00:002014-11-14T14:22:42.817+00:00Who's taking "views" out of the equa...Who's taking "views" out of the equation? I don't see anyone doing that. What I see, two or three times, is a derogatory reference to "subjective views" like it's a weak spot in an argument. <br /><br />I'm quite happy to discuss these "views" and why they are in fact important. In order to do that however you will have to have to stop proffering a James Lomaxhttp://www.jameslomax.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-87278222034578090512014-11-13T19:26:50.190+00:002014-11-13T19:26:50.190+00:00Is that the study from the Scottish Environmental ...Is that the study from the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency (SEPA) - a Quango whose board members are appointed by ministers in the Scottish government and whose Chief Executive is then appointed by the board?<br /><br />Is that the study you're referring to? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-85014755132838080112014-11-13T16:14:26.081+00:002014-11-13T16:14:26.081+00:00In fact I replied to Martin Rye not Chris. Like I ...In fact I replied to Martin Rye not Chris. Like I said it's not a contest - my fault for appearing to suggest that. <br /><br />Why take views out of the equation? Because that exposes the triviality of the argument against wind turbines. A renewable energy policy desperately needed to cut carbon emissions cannot reasonably be blocked because of the effect of some temporary industrial Noel Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-61430251516128307232014-11-13T14:27:12.318+00:002014-11-13T14:27:12.318+00:00Professor Dieter Helm, today in the Times:
Alex S...Professor Dieter Helm, today in the Times:<br /><br />Alex Salmond’s vision of a Scotland powered entirely by renewables by 2020 has been dismissed as “nonsense” by one of the UK’s leading energy economists. In an interview with The Times Dieter Helm, Professor of energy policy at the University of Oxford, insisted it did not make economic sense for Scotland to be reliant on renewable energy. NorAlan Slomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966543499033330765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-72106298003856327072014-11-13T11:20:08.568+00:002014-11-13T11:20:08.568+00:00Noel, w're never going to agree on this so I&#...Noel, w're never going to agree on this so I'm not going to keep repeating itself. You are in favour of the destruction of our last wild places and you can't even see that that is what you are proposing. Nothing can justify that. Chris Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04282926597863688874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-27251976129817283192014-11-13T06:59:25.416+00:002014-11-13T06:59:25.416+00:00Noel. First, re read your first sentence re your e...Noel. First, re read your first sentence re your experience. You certainly did claim to have spent more time wandering the Highlands than Chris. Secondly, you clearly do not love the wilderness as much as others because you are putting something else above its protection, albeit for reasons you have articulated. Thirdly, why must we remove spoiled views from the equation? They are part of the FellBoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13089687581260477621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-55338403554371304802014-11-13T00:55:21.144+00:002014-11-13T00:55:21.144+00:00Which of our upland species are at risk of extinct...Which of our upland species are at risk of extinction as a result of the impacts you have described? <br /><br />Basically all you have done is describe the digging of holes which will cover a tiny fraction of the total surface area of a given habitat. When the turbines are removed everything will eventually return to normal.<br /><br />Carbon emissions: if peat dries out it will disintegrate andNoel Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-14740218348587617112014-11-13T00:42:07.053+00:002014-11-13T00:42:07.053+00:00If you're interested in this stuff there's...If you're interested in this stuff there's a great interactive web site here http://my2050.decc.gov.uk/ which allows you to explore different emissions strategies.<br /><br />We definitely need to spend big on efficiency in order to reduce energy consumption but we have to do this in addition to a dash for renewables, not instead of. We may also need to reduce our general consumption ie Noel Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-70181275455581341762014-11-13T00:20:14.875+00:002014-11-13T00:20:14.875+00:00Destroying peat layers to build road, tearing up l...Destroying peat layers to build road, tearing up land to cast deep concrete piles to sit turbines on. Roads, diesel spills, damage to wildlife habitat, let alone the destruction abroad for the raw materials to build the bloody things. So significant impact short-term Noel. Massive impact long-term. Stating you're deluded was correct. Plus you have done sod all in terms of spending time Martin Ryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03719332121719827761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-8365683136712291132014-11-13T00:15:11.012+00:002014-11-13T00:15:11.012+00:00I didn't make any comments about Chris's e...I didn't make any comments about Chris's experiences. He seems like he's pretty well-travelled.<br /><br />It's not a contest in any case: my point was that I'm writing from the perspective of someone who loves the wild places of Scotland at least as much as those who complain about wilderness "destruction". I wish turbines were not necessary but I know that they areNoel Darlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-33095877756957720392014-11-12T21:20:42.695+00:002014-11-12T21:20:42.695+00:00An excellent post Chris and so good arguments from...An excellent post Chris and so good arguments from a number of contributors on the folly of wind farms. I have a number of issues with them. Environmental impact, particularly in relations to peat as discussed above and despoiling wild areas. Secondly they are a payment by and large to wealthy landowners and an additional 'tax' to others particularly the less well off in society, this markswalkingbloghttp://markswalkingblog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-41890162980946014122014-11-12T20:36:03.340+00:002014-11-12T20:36:03.340+00:00One of the best responses to a blog post that I ha...One of the best responses to a blog post that I have read in a long time. I take my hat off to all you gracious gentlemen defending our wild land from these monstrosities with such gusto and bow to your superior knowledge and time taken to research such a diverse argument is to be commended well done lads you have my unwavering support. Robert Boltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06406848439762222924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-20695365098425314522014-11-12T20:29:54.848+00:002014-11-12T20:29:54.848+00:00Hi Chris and all,
I crossed the wild and lonely h...Hi Chris and all,<br /><br />I crossed the wild and lonely heart of Talladh a Bheithe on my 2008 Challenge having planned a pathless low level crossing from the south end of Loch Ericht to Loch Errochty. Passing the spot where Chris camped and, as Chris, stayed on the slightly better north side of the big bowl of deep peat around Dubh Lochan na Beinne Boidich but crossing over towards Loch Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-44168252082603001992014-11-12T19:11:26.613+00:002014-11-12T19:11:26.613+00:00My highland experience bows to yours Noel. I have...My highland experience bows to yours Noel. I have only backpacked in Scotland for the last 18yrs - tell us about your big walks. Coast-to-coast ? Done the 4000ft summits linking them all wild camping as you go ? Camped on Munro summits? Please enlighten us? As for more walks than Chris you are truly deluded. Martin Ryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03719332121719827761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7063908328061898266.post-57046046175293771762014-11-12T18:49:27.507+00:002014-11-12T18:49:27.507+00:00I doubt you have spent more time wandering round t...I doubt you have spent more time wandering round the Highlands than I have. I've lived here for 25 years. I've climbed the Munros twice, once on a 1600 mile continuous walk that included the Tops as well. Last year I walked the Scottish Watershed from the Border to Duncansby Head. That's just the long trips. I am arguing for a sense of perspective. Destroying wild land with wind farmsChris Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04282926597863688874noreply@blogger.com